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's a woman warrior but her detractors call her a bull in a china shop and a union buster which doesn't seem to bother her one bit. >> you're not really fazed at all about what people think about you. you seem to have your convictions and whatever people say, it just blows off your back. >> you know, i think that it's necessary to understand that when you want to change the status quo, when you're going to bring about a significant transformation to anything, you're going to get a lot of pushback. at the end of the day the way that i look at it is our public education system is broken. it is not working for the vast majority of children in this country. we are spending more money per child in this nation than almost any other developed country in the entire world and yet the results are lagging behind. and so we have to understand that there is a lot of work to be done, there are a lot of changes that need to happen. and, you know, if people wanting to push back against that, i'm okay with that as long as what we're doing is fighting for kids. >> but it's interesting because a lot of people
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